Hoosier Park Race 10

Race 10

Stake: $82,569

STARLIT MILLERTIME (8) was yet again about the mark last start when runner-up over 1609m at this track, beaten a neck. Tactics will be crucial from this wide draw. Primary contender in this comparable race. BOOK THE FIGHT (2) is in good form with top-five finishes at his last 11 starts, most recently recording a third over 1609m at this track. Sure to enjoy an economical run from this draw. Tackles a similar assignment and he can get the job done. AVANTI (9) must be considered after he finished runner-up over 1609m at this track two weeks ago. ROCKIN MUDSLINGER (5) has been about the mark of late and must be respected, the latest offering a sound fourth at this track over 1609m.
  • Distance: 1609m
  • Track: Good
  • Weather: -
  • Surface: All Weather
  • Class: ISS-3yCG
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1Joe Putnam
  • Seeitsayit (Fr1) 1x51311635
  • Trainer: Joe Putnam ()
  • Driver: Lewayne Miller
  • Prize Money: $87,772
  • Win / Place: 23% / 64%

3 yo Brown Gelding

Sire: TELLITLIKEITIS

Dam: TIENE'S LECHE

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Rating

Stats
Career
17: 4-4-3
Distance
17: 4-4-3
Trk/Dst
17: 4-4-3
Track
17: 4-4-3
Season
8: 3-0-2
1st Up
2: 0-0-0
2nd Up
2: 1-1-0
3rd Up
2: 0-1-1
All-Weather
17: 4-4-3
Best Mile
1:49.30
Comments
Last start 5th (Fr7) over 1609m at this track, beaten 25 m by Rock Shines Again (1:50.00) in ISS-3YCG on July 18 at $21.70. At the start before solid effort when 3rd (Fr4) over 1609m at this track, beaten 8 m by Chandler Bing (1:49.20) in ISS-3YCG on June 27 at $4.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
5th of 718/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr7Joey Putnam1:50.001:50.009.48L $22 21ISS-3YCG$80,918$4,046

1. Rock Shines Again

2. Avanti

3. Book The Fight

3rd of 927/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr4Joey Putnam1:49.201:49.203.09L $4.00 14ISS-3YCG$83,981$10,077

1. Chandler Bing

2. Starlit Millertime

3. Seeitsayit

6th of 713/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr7Joey Putnam1:50.001:50.003.64L $2.10f 7ISS-3YCG$83,142-

1. Chandler Bing

2. The Family Man

3. Special Pete

1st of 86/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Joey Putnam1:49.301:49.304.20L $3.50 11NW5PM$20,995$10,498

1. Seeitsayit

2. Premier Romeo

3. Always B Nicky

1st of 826/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr7Joey Putnam1:51.201:51.201.97L $1.40f 11ISS-ELG3YC$27,000$13,500

1. Seeitsayit

2. Gigi's Dream

3. Done In Seven

3rd of 1015/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherSr1Joey Putnam1:52.201:52.201.12L $6.20 7HG NW 2PM$16,875$2,025

1. The Family Man

2. Odds On Brahmastra

3. Seeitsayit

2Perry Smith
  • Book The Fight (Fr2) 1221223323
  • Trainer: Perry Smith ()
  • Driver: Kyle Wilfong
  • Prize Money: $130,867
  • Win / Place: 17% / 82%
Nearing Another Win

3 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: JK ENDOFANERA

Dam: BLACK JACK PAT

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Rating

Stats
Career
17: 3-6-5
Distance
17: 3-6-5
Trk/Dst
17: 3-6-5
Track
17: 3-6-5
Season
11: 2-6-2
1st Up
2: 0-1-0
2nd Up
2: 1-0-1
3rd Up
2: 0-1-0
All-Weather
17: 3-6-5
Best Mile
1:51.40
Comments
Solid performance when beaten by 2.25 m finishing second behind Avanti at this track over 1609m in a ISS-3YCG on July 4 at $10.60. Then a handy effort when well beaten into third behind Rock Shines Again at this track over 1609m in a ISS-3YCG on July 18 at $22.20.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
3rd of 718/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr5Kyle Wilfong1:50.001:50.004.76L $22 14ISS-3YCG$80,918$9,710

1. Rock Shines Again

2. Avanti

3. Book The Fight

2nd of 84/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr3Trace Tetrick1:50.401:50.400.86L $11 7ISS-3YCG$81,743$20,436

1. Avanti

2. Book The Fight

3. Deal The Odds

3rd of 827/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr5Marvin Luna1:50.001:50.003.64L $7.70 14ISS-3YCG$83,142$9,977

1. Deal The Odds

2. Rockin Mudslinger

3. Book The Fight

3rd of 713/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr4Marvin Luna1:51.301:51.302.53L $5.10 18ISS-3YCG$82,301$9,877

1. Deal The Odds

2. Avanti

3. Book The Fight

2nd of 726/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr5Marvin Luna1:50.301:50.300.33L $2.50f 9ISS-3YC$82,687$20,672

1. Deal The Odds

2. Book The Fight

3. Rawtn Tale

2nd of 817/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Marvin Luna1:52.001:52.000.33L $1.30f 8HALDALEFNL$42,187$10,547

1. Rawtn Tale

2. Book The Fight

3. Derek's Rocket

3Tyler George
  • Somemore Soaring (Fr3) 1357x1353
  • Trainer: Tyler George ()
  • Driver: Trace Tetrick
  • Prize Money: $37,810
  • Win / Place: 25% / 62%

3 yo Bay Colt

Sire: LUCK BE WITHYOU (USA)

Dam: SUNFLOWER

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Rating

Stats
Career
8: 2-0-3
Distance
8: 2-0-3
Trk/Dst
8: 2-0-3
Track
8: 2-0-3
Season
5: 1-0-2
1st Up
2: 2-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-2
3rd Up
2: 0-0-0
All-Weather
8: 2-0-3
Best Mile
1:51.10
Comments
Last start 3rd (Fr8) over 1609m at this track, beaten 8 m by Bikini Chaser (1:50.30) in ISSE-3CG on July 18 at $2.10. Two runs back 5th (Fr8) over 1609m at this track, beaten 6 m by Class Factor (1:50.10) in ISS-ELG3YC on July 4 at $4.40.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
3rd of 918/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr8Trace Tetrick1:50.301:50.303.09L $2.10f 14ISSE-3CG$26,422$3,171

1. Bikini Chaser

2. Manwiththeplan

3. Somemore Soaring

5th of 94/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr8Trace Tetrick1:50.101:50.102.23L $4.40 7ISS-ELG3YC$26,422$1,321

1. Class Factor

2. Tl Thunder Bolt

3. Airborne Spark

3rd of 627/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr1Trace Tetrick1:50.301:50.301.41L $1.80f 7ISS-ELG3YC$26,874$3,225

1. Tl Thunder Bolt

2. Class Factor

3. Somemore Soaring

1st of 720/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr7Trace Tetrick1:51.101:51.107.81L $1.60f 280ISFC 3CP$7,055$3,527

1. Somemore Soaring

2. Vel I'm On It

3. Derek's Rocket

280 Day Spell
1st of 628/5/25Hoosier Park1609m-Trace Tetrick1:55.301:55.300.33L $0.00 -Trial$0-

1. Somemore Soaring

2. White Belly

3. Jack Be Nimble

2nd of 521/5/25Hoosier Park1609m-Trace Tetrick1:54.201:54.200.56L $0.00 -Trial$0-

1. Tl Thunder Bolt

2. Somemore Soaring

3. Dating A Virgin

4Darla Gaskin
  • Manwiththeplan (Fr4) 9589354623
  • Trainer: Darla Gaskin ()
  • Driver: Marvin Luna
  • Prize Money: $44,282
  • Win / Place: 0% / 25%

3 yo Brown Colt

Sire: JK ENDOFANERA

Dam: SECLUDED BEACH

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Rating

Stats
Career
20: 0-2-3
Distance
20: 0-2-3
Trk/Dst
20: 0-2-3
Track
20: 0-2-3
Season
10: 0-1-3
1st Up
2: 0-0-0
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 0-0-0
All-Weather
20: 0-2-3
Best Mile
-
Comments
Racing consistently with minor placings at his last two starts at this course. Placed last start 3rd (Fr6) over 1609m at this track beaten 8 m by Class Factor (1:51.20) in ISSE-3CG on July 25 at $19.60. Before that 2nd (Fr5) over 1609m at this track beaten 0.8 m by Bikini Chaser (1:50.30) in ISSE-3CG on July 18 at $9.70.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
3rd of 825/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr6Jordan Ross1:51.201:51.203.09L $20 7ISSE-3CG$24,771$2,972

1. Class Factor

2. Special Pete

3. Manwiththeplan

2nd of 918/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr5John De Long1:50.301:50.300.30L $9.70 7ISSE-3CG$26,422$6,605

1. Bikini Chaser

2. Manwiththeplan

3. Somemore Soaring

6th of 811/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr7Michael Oosting1:50.101:50.104.20L $42 7ISSE-3CG$24,771-

1. Airborne Spark

2. Freaky Feet Beast

3. Big Al Derosa

4th of 94/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Michael Oosting1:50.101:50.101.97L $37 7ISS-ELG3YC$26,422$2,114

1. Class Factor

2. Tl Thunder Bolt

3. Airborne Spark

5th of 627/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr3John De Long1:49.401:49.4010.33L $40 14ISS-ELG3YC$26,874$1,344

1. Rock Shines Again

2. Airborne Spark

3. Checking Out

3rd of 713/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr1John De Long1:51.201:51.201.12L $88 8ISS-ELG3YC$26,874$3,225

1. Freaky Feet Beast

2. This Jk Rocks

3. Manwiththeplan

5Henry Graber (Jnr)
  • Rockin Mudslinger (Fr5) 1x1614224
  • Trainer: Henry Graber (Jnr) ()
  • Driver: Jordan Ross
  • Prize Money: $85,028
  • Win / Place: 37% / 62%

3 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: ROCKIN IMAGE (CAN)

Dam: AVA DESTRUCTION

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Rating

Stats
Career
8: 3-2-0
Distance
8: 3-2-0
Trk/Dst
8: 3-2-0
Track
8: 3-2-0
Season
7: 1-2-0
1st Up
2: 2-0-0
2nd Up
1: 0-0-0
3rd Up
1: 1-0-0
All-Weather
8: 3-2-0
Best Mile
1:51.20
Comments
Last start 4th (Fr2) over 1609m at this track, beaten 17 m by Rock Shines Again (1:50.00) in ISS-3YCG on July 18 at $9.50. At the run before solid effort when 2nd (Fr2) over 1609m at this track beaten 9 m by Rock Shines Again (1:48.40) in ISS-3YCG on July 4 at $9.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
4th of 718/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Jordan Ross1:50.001:50.006.43L $9.50 14ISS-3YCG$80,918$6,474

1. Rock Shines Again

2. Avanti

3. Book The Fight

2nd of 64/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Jordan Ross1:48.401:48.403.64L $9.00 7ISS-3YCG$80,918$20,229

1. Rock Shines Again

2. Rockin Mudslinger

3. Starlit Millertime

2nd of 827/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr4Jordan Ross1:50.001:50.001.41L $6.70 14ISS-3YCG$83,142$20,786

1. Deal The Odds

2. Rockin Mudslinger

3. Book The Fight

4th of 713/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr4Jordan Ross1:50.001:50.003.64L $7.90 18ISS-3YCG$83,142$5,404

1. Chandler Bing

2. The Family Man

3. Special Pete

1st of 726/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Jordan Ross1:51.201:51.202.23L $1.90f 11ISS-ELG3YC$27,000$13,500

1. Rockin Mudslinger

2. Odds On Anubis

3. This Jk Rocks

6th of 1015/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr6Jordan Ross1:52.201:52.205.02L $2.70 7HG NW 2PM$16,875-

1. The Family Man

2. Odds On Brahmastra

3. Seeitsayit

6Joe Putnam
  • Deal The Odds (Fr6) 281x211134
  • Trainer: Joe Putnam ()
  • Driver: Joey Putnam
  • Prize Money: $264,341
  • Win / Place: 40% / 80%
Track / Distance Specialist

3 yo Bay Colt

Sire: ODDS ON EQUULEUS

Dam: SONO BELLO

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Rating

Stats
Career
15: 6-3-3
Distance
15: 6-3-3
Trk/Dst
15: 6-3-3
Track
15: 6-3-3
Season
6: 3-1-1
1st Up
2: 0-1-1
2nd Up
2: 2-0-0
3rd Up
2: 2-0-0
All-Weather
15: 6-3-3
Best Mile
1:50.00
Comments
Last start 4th (Fr5) over 1609m at this track beaten 4 m by Rawtn Tale (1:51.20) in ISS-3YCG on July 18 at $2.30. Two runs back 3rd (Fr4) over 1609m at this track, beaten 4 m by Avanti (1:50.40) in ISS-3YCG on July 4 at $1.30.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
4th of 818/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr5Joey Putnam1:51.201:51.201.41L $2.30 14ISS-3YCG$81,743$6,539

1. Rawtn Tale

2. Starlit Millertime

3. The Family Man

3rd of 84/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr4Joey Putnam1:50.401:50.401.41L $1.30f 7ISS-3YCG$81,743$9,810

1. Avanti

2. Book The Fight

3. Deal The Odds

1st of 827/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr1Joey Putnam1:50.001:50.001.41L $1.30f 14ISS-3YCG$83,142$41,570

1. Deal The Odds

2. Rockin Mudslinger

3. Book The Fight

1st of 713/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr1Joey Putnam1:51.301:51.301.67L $1.60f 18ISS-3YCG$82,301$41,151

1. Deal The Odds

2. Avanti

3. Book The Fight

1st of 726/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr6Joey Putnam1:50.301:50.300.33L $3.20 9ISS-3YC$82,687$41,343

1. Deal The Odds

2. Book The Fight

3. Rawtn Tale

2nd of 517/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr1Joey Putnam1:51.001:51.000.30L $2.80 218ISS-ELG3YC$33,750$8,437

1. Bikini Chaser

2. Deal The Odds

3. Big Al Derosa

218 Day Spell
7Tyler George
  • Rawtn Tale (Fr7) 1311213441
  • Trainer: Tyler George ()
  • Driver: Marcus Miller
  • Prize Money: $157,582
  • Win / Place: 26% / 57%

3 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: TELLITLIKEITIS

Dam: RAW DIAMOND

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Rating

Stats
Career
19: 5-3-3
Distance
19: 5-3-3
Trk/Dst
19: 5-3-3
Track
19: 5-3-3
Season
10: 5-1-2
1st Up
2: 1-1-0
2nd Up
2: 0-1-1
3rd Up
2: 1-0-1
All-Weather
19: 5-3-3
Best Mile
1:50.20
Comments
Going well. Last start won by a neck as favourite (Fr1) at this track (1:51.20) beating Starlit Millertime in ISS-3YCG on July 18 at $2.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
1st of 818/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr1Trace Tetrick1:51.201:51.200.11L $2.00f 21ISS-3YCG$81,743$40,872

1. Rawtn Tale

2. Starlit Millertime

3. The Family Man

4th of 927/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr8Michael Oosting1:49.201:49.203.35L $41 14ISS-3YCG$83,981$6,719

1. Chandler Bing

2. Starlit Millertime

3. Seeitsayit

4th of 713/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Michael Oosting1:51.301:51.302.79L $15 18ISS-3YCG$82,301$6,584

1. Deal The Odds

2. Avanti

3. Book The Fight

3rd of 726/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Michael Oosting1:50.301:50.301.12L $4.90 9ISS-3YC$82,687$9,923

1. Deal The Odds

2. Book The Fight

3. Rawtn Tale

1st of 817/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr1Michael Oosting1:52.001:52.000.33L $5.70 8HALDALEFNL$42,187$21,093

1. Rawtn Tale

2. Book The Fight

3. Derek's Rocket

2nd of 99/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Michael Oosting1:51.401:51.401.67L $3.20 7HALDALE-L2$20,250$5,063

1. Book The Fight

2. Rawtn Tale

3. Hey Blinkin

8Aaron Stutzman
  • Starlit Millertime (Fr8) 3471335232
  • Trainer: Aaron Stutzman ()
  • Driver: Atlee Bender
  • Prize Money: $112,214
  • Win / Place: 13% / 60%
Nearing Another Win

3 yo Bay Colt

Sire: JK ENDOFANERA

Dam: ZINDERELLA

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Rating

Stats
Career
15: 2-2-5
Distance
15: 2-2-5
Trk/Dst
15: 2-2-5
Track
15: 2-2-5
Season
10: 1-2-3
1st Up
2: 0-0-1
2nd Up
2: 0-0-0
3rd Up
2: 1-0-0
All-Weather
15: 2-2-5
Best Mile
1:52.40
Comments
Two back was well beaten into third behind Rock Shines Again at this track over 1609m in a ISS-3YCG on July 4 at $13.10. Then a handy effort when a close second behind Rawtn Tale at this track over 1609m in a ISS-3YCG on July 18 at $8.70. In fine form.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
2nd of 818/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Atlee Bender1:51.201:51.200.11L $8.70 14ISS-3YCG$81,743$20,436

1. Rawtn Tale

2. Starlit Millertime

3. The Family Man

3rd of 64/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr4Atlee Bender1:48.401:48.403.90L $13 7ISS-3YCG$80,918$9,710

1. Rock Shines Again

2. Rockin Mudslinger

3. Starlit Millertime

2nd of 927/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr1Atlee Bender1:49.201:49.201.67L $13 14ISS-3YCG$83,981$20,995

1. Chandler Bing

2. Starlit Millertime

3. Seeitsayit

5th of 713/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr6Aaron Stutzman1:51.301:51.303.35L $58 8ISS-3YCG$82,301$4,115

1. Deal The Odds

2. Avanti

3. Book The Fight

3rd of 95/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2Aaron Stutzman1:50.301:50.301.41L $8.30 7HG NW 2PM$16,796$2,015

1. Special Select

2. Airborne Spark

3. Starlit Millertime

3rd of 729/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr6Aaron Stutzman1:51.201:51.202.79L $2.30f 7NW 3PM$18,984$2,278

1. Er Rambo

2. Shipwrecked

3. Starlit Millertime

9Melissa Essig
  • Avanti (Fr9) x714282612
  • Trainer: Melissa Essig ()
  • Driver: John De Long
  • Prize Money: $378,105
  • Win / Place: 23% / 66%

3 yo Bay Gelding

Sire: ROCKIN IMAGE (CAN)

Dam: SAYULITA

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Rating

Stats
Career
21: 5-8-1
Distance
21: 5-8-1
Trk/Dst
20: 5-8-1
Track
20: 5-8-1
Season
9: 2-3-0
1st Up
2: 0-1-0
2nd Up
2: 1-0-0
3rd Up
2: 0-1-0
All-Weather
21: 5-8-1
Best Mile
1:50.40
Comments
Last start good run when 2nd (Fr4) over 1609m at this track, beaten 12 m by Rock Shines Again (1:50.00) in ISS-3YCG on July 18 at $5.90. Two runs back won by 2.25 m (Fr6) at this track (1:50.40) beating Book The Fight in ISS-3YCG on July 4 at $18.30.
Last Starts days since last start
PlaceDateTrackDistanceStartSurfaceBarrierDriverRace TimeMile RateMarginSPDaysClassPrizePrize WonResult
2nd of 718/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr4John De Long1:50.001:50.004.46L $5.90 14ISS-3YCG$80,918$20,229

1. Rock Shines Again

2. Avanti

3. Book The Fight

1st of 84/7/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr6John De Long1:50.401:50.400.86L $18 7ISS-3YCG$81,743$40,872

1. Avanti

2. Book The Fight

3. Deal The Odds

6th of 827/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr6John De Long1:50.001:50.006.43L $8.60 14ISS-3YCG$83,142-

1. Deal The Odds

2. Rockin Mudslinger

3. Book The Fight

2nd of 713/6/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr3John De Long1:51.301:51.301.67L $4.30 6ISS-3YCG$82,301$20,575

1. Deal The Odds

2. Avanti

3. Book The Fight

8th of 87/6/25Mohawk Park1609mAll Weather5Ja MacDonald1:50.201:50.2010.78L $15 12CUP$60,810-

1. Captain Optimistic

2. Joel And The Jets

3. Swingtown

2nd of 726/5/25Hoosier Park1609mAll WeatherFr2John De Long1:50.201:50.201.41L $7.50 17ISS-3YC$82,687$20,672

1. Chandler Bing

2. Avanti

3. Bikini Chaser

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